Now construct a comment to this question that is modeled off of what you read and is based on your opinions about the articles and the book (what you were supposed to have written by today;)).
Read through the paragraph you wrote, checking that it fits these two requirements:
- Is Catcher in the Rye a book that connects with teens today, is it something that should be read by teens today? Support your answer/thoughts with details from your reading that illustrates your opinion.
- You need at least one quote from the packet and one from the book.
If you need to add to your paragraph or modify it, please do. Remember, when quoting other people's words, use their last names in parenthesis after the quote as a citation.
Ex. "The trouble with me is, I stop" (Salinger 92).
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ReplyDeleteI want to comment on the article of Elizabeth Wurtzel about the novel The Catcher in the Rye. She says that in now days teens can’t connect to what Salinger says about the life of a young man, “I’m not sure that the latter day teenager would find confort in Caulfield the way a few generations past have” (Elizabeth Wurtzel), i find it absolutely wrong, i absolutely agree with her when she says that the world is changed, of course it is, but the feelings that teenager have: depression, loneliness, anger and all the rest are the same. “I almost wished i was dead” says Holden in the novel (Salinger 90). Moreover she adds that teens don’t exist anymore, they are no longer rebel, but i think that this is false, personally i know teens that are rebels that do drugs, smoke and other things. I have several times participated to processions against the government, and done things that could be considered rebel. of course the time has changed and also the people but teens will always be different, rebel, and if they don’t our society will lose something very important because none will change it.
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DeleteThis writing you just did says alot about how we are all different. Not all people are the same. She is putting everyone into the same group, we all age differently.
DeleteI agree with Matteo's point of view of being able to connect with Holden, I think that anyone can connect to Holden's feelings. If a person says they can't connect with the book I find that a lie, in some point in a person's life they probably felt sad,lonely, depressed etc... I would also like to agree when he says teens will be rebels. Teens are likely to have temptations and when they are told not to do something they tend to do it, because that is the nature of teens.
DeleteI believe that Elizabeth Wurtzel could not possibly know more about teenagers more than teenagers themselves. She cannot see the connection to teens because she is not one, not because there is no connection.
DeleteAfter reading the article, I realize that adults don’t know nearly as much about teenagers as they claim to. One writer claims “ Adolescence went away with the 20th century” (Elizabeth Wurtzel). Her argument is that teenagers can’t relate to any of the emotional problems Holden went through because teens today are in full control and can completely manage their emotions. I believe, speaking as someone who is a teenager, that this is false. Teens cannot manage anything in their lives, even when they grow out of their teen and into their early twenties, they still act like teenagers only worse. Adolescence is still very much alive and adults need to recognize this and help teens, not deny that the problems even exist.
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DeleteThey can't feel anymore what we feel because they aren't in our age anymore, and i think that the emotions that we fell are probably the same but, the problems and other things are different so they can't understand.
DeleteI agree with g-money because adults know the basics about teens, but they can't say that not a teen unless they are in their shoes. Parents and adults don't know what the life of a teen today is so they can't just say we as teens aren't real teens. I think that adults need to start being help and ask how we feel then judging us. Parents need to stop thinking that they are perfect and that if your not as good as them. Parents and adults today, yesterday, 2 weeks ago, 5 years ago, 10 decades ago,can be phonies and nothing they can do besides stop judging us (teens) and help us with our problems.
DeleteI think that Catcher in the Rye should be read by teens today, because it can be related to by many. Teens of the 1940's and today have similar difficulties, some aspects are not exactly the same but the general idea can be related to by others. In Catcher in the Rye Holden says, "When you're feeling depressed you can't even think" (Salinger 91). A lot of people can connect with that feeling of not being able to think because of various complications. The Catcher in the Rye is relevant for today's teens, In the article, "Holden Was Right" the author wrote, "Each and everyone of us loved it and felt a deep connection between ourselves and Holden" (Holden Was Right). This quote expresses that Holden's feelings can be connected to in a deeper matter. It specifically states that they all felt a connection and loved it, and that to me sums up why this book is relevant for teens today.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Devin. Holden is facing all the same problems that teens are facing today, so teens can really relate to Holden.
DeleteYou are very right and i agree to your opinion because the general idea to the book i can somewhat relate to.
DeleteI agree, because teens today can relate to Holden with him being depressed or lying. Today teens still lie about things and they can be depressed maybe because they don't think they fit in with others, people may not include them, or loss of a loved one. Catcher In the Rye is a relevant book to teens because we are still growing and we think things that may not be true.
DeleteI agree with you, Devin. Teenagers, and many other people, feel more connection when they read Catcher in the Rye. Not only because he dealt with depression and felt all alone, but even some aspects of how Holden watched the world around him.
DeleteI agree most teens should be read by teens today to feel the connections that Holden is talking about.
DeleteOne thing that teens today should read in The Catcher and the Rye is in chapter fourteen. It’s about his little brother Allie and what happened to him and some teens can relate with losing a loved one. A quote from the book is “People never notice anything”- Holden page nine and a quote from the packet would be “Time has not changed as much as you think.”
ReplyDeleteCatcher in the Rye is a good book that can be used today of back in the day. Why, because a teenager is a teenager they have their differences and similarities.Teens both have that stage when they don’t care about a lot of things and they really agree with parents. Like when Holden quotes “ All adults are phonies”. An adult in today’s time quoted “Holden is a throwback( Mark Bauerlein), the troubled teen of another time. I disagree with what that adult said because Holden had so many struggles that a teen would have today. Like he didn’t really care about school, like some teens today that don’t care about school. He also didn’t had troubles with girls, like he didn’t want to have intercourse but at the same time he did. he respected girls and he didn’t really didn’t respect the guy's a tall actually.
ReplyDeleteI saw that adults don’t pay attention nearly as much as teenagers as they claim to. One author claims “ Adolescence went away with the twentieth century” (Elizabeth Wurtzel).She was saying that all kids/teens are all growing up at a younger age technology has matured us. Being a teenager I think that maturity is the last thing on most kids mind. Teens cannot begin life without help, even once they grow out of their immature and into their early twenties, they still act like teenagers solely worse. Adolescence continues to be pretty much alive and adults ought to acknowledge this teens do not deny that the issues. We all need help sometimes once in a while we all need some help. No one fully matures we all have some kid in us. :D
ReplyDeletei disagree with "Teens cannot begin life without help, even once they grow out of their immature and into their early twenties, they still act like teenagers solely worse. " why I disagree: It all depends on who you are with, like a lot of teenagers can be mature and even more if not all of people in their 20s can when its needed to. but that doesn't mean they need to be mature all the time.
Deleteand if you need help to get past ur kid days then u are basically just a older kid the biggest part of growing up is learning to be independent and responsible.
I disagree with you Noah. I don't agree with you about us not thinking about maturing. A lot of people want to act like they are mature as soon as they can so they think about it a lot. They do it so that they can start to think about things later in life at a younger age.
DeleteI disagree with Noah, I think that teenagers do not need help "beginning our life." As teens we are already making the biggest choices of our lives right now, some small choices but everything has a cause and an effect. Teenagers now are beginning to plan their life, going to college, starting a job and saving money, and much more. Yes parents play a part in their child's' morals and values but not all teens look up to their parents nor follow their rules therefore I find that teens do not need help beginning their lives. Also I disagree when Noah says maturity is the last thing on a teen's mind, for myself when I want to date a guy I look at their personality and I find maturity to be a big thing I look at.
DeleteI think that this book the catcher and the rye is still relevant because teens can connect to it. “not only for teenagers but for anyone who gets occasionally fed up with the ways of the world.” So it not only connects with teens it connects with everyone. “the reason i love this book so much and the reason it will always always have value is not because of some amazing quality of Holden that readers can relate to, but because his observations of society are timeless, unique, and incredibly perspective.” Ishan likes the book because it is relatable for almost everyone.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with you because not every teen is going to read this book and like it. Not everyone is going to say Holden is cool and everything because they may think he is not the greatest and that he needs to get his act together because he starts to live on his own.
DeleteI agree with you Billy. I agree that its not just teens who connect with the book. Everyone has there own perspective about the world so anyone can connect with it but maybe it isn't exactly the same as someone else.
DeleteYes, I believe that this book connects to the teens today. The Catcher in the Rye should be read by teens today. It should be read by teens today because it will help them get the an idea of how the teens in the 1940’s aren’t much different than the teens today. Like teens in the 1940’s had a lot of depression. “The more I thought about my gloves and yellowness, the more depressed I got…” (Salinger 90) In the article “Holden was right” they talked about how this book really connected to the people who read it. It says “We just read this book a few months ago and each and everyone of us loved it and felt a deep connection between ourselves and Holden.” (Holden was Right) This right here shows that the world hasn’t evolved into a new place it is still pretty much like it was 60 years. The adults are wrong that our generation isn’t like it was 60 years ago it actually is.
ReplyDeleteMathew i agree with you that teens should read this book so they can see that there life isn't as different as to now. but i also disagree about where you said it is pretty much the same as 60 years ago because it is way different we technology that has changed the hole world
DeleteI agree, in the book it shows that teens today are similar to the way they were back then.
DeleteCatcher in the Rye is a book that may or may not connect with teens today. I guess it is completely a matter of preference and how your thought process works while reading this book. There are many things that happen in Catcher that teens today relate to, though. According to Grace, one of the teens from the packet, “When he felt like a failure, I knew what he was talking about”. She understood and connected with Holden. Teens from the 1940’s and today have gone through depression and anger and many other emotions. Catcher in the Rye, I think, is still very relevant today. There are so many things that still relate to today. Teens that struggle, people who pay attention, kids who don’t care. Many people like this, just because they can connect to Holden, and see how teens are so much more complex than adults think. “I felt so lonesome, all of a sudden. I almost wished I was dead” (Salinger 48). Holden just feels sad and lonely, even though he is talking with Ackley. That’s how a lot of people feel to this day. I believe that this book is still very relevant and should be read at schools.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. It is all on how people look at things now of days. Everyone has they own way of thinking and looking at things. You cant just say oh look all the teens now days are going to like this book you just cant say that because it isn't true.
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ReplyDeleteNo I don't think that catcher in the rye is relevant today, since there has happened to much with teenagers. “The feeling that it's harvard or bust has hit a feverishness that in holden’s era was merely a minor gripe, as he would’ve called it.” (where have all the teenagers gone Elizabeth wurtzel) This is so true back in the 1940s it didn’t matter where you went to college, if you even went and they didn’t care a whole lot about what you studied, and how good your grades where. Where today if you don't get into an ivy league college, you are more than less a “flop,” or that’s how a lot of people sees it. “How many subjects did you carry this term? five sir. Five and how many are you failing in? four” (catcher in the rye page 10 Salinger.) We see here in catcher in the rye that he is failing 80% of his classes, which in today’s world would be a sign of you living on the street in the near future. So no I don't think it's relevant it's too old to be relevant in today’s world, where you gotta “achieve the perfect “ in pretty much everything you do.
I don't agree with you, it is true that if you don't go to a good college you have less chance to succede, but what really count is you. And also today a lot of people don't really care about the school, it is necessary to live a good life, but not everyone understand that, but it is fouls that if you don't study you will be living on the street.
DeleteI do agree with this, in terms of college and such, but I have to disagree as well. There are still many other aspects to Catcher in the Rye that the world today still connects with. Depression, feeling lonely, getting angry. All of the emotions, or most of them, that Holden was feeling, a lot of people still feel today. But it is all a matter of preference.
Deletei disagree with Rasmus because teens today have the same or almost the same feelings as back in the day, in fact we have more problems that are based off of what Holden's problems were this book needs to be sent out to more schools today cause its true.
DeleteI don't feel the same way. I think that some things are different, but we still have the same jacquard feeling today as they had. The overall story is the same thing that we are living though today, It is all how you want to think about it..,.
DeleteI disagree because I feel like most teens today can relate to the book with Holden's feelings.
DeleteI disagree, i think that the way things were then, in a way are still similar to the way they are now.
DeleteI really do think that this book connects with teens today because it shows a lot of the rebelling as in teens today and it also shows the independence of teens. As in "your folks know you got kicked out yet., nope" that's showing him getting in trouble and that's where the rebelling comes in. Where it shows the independence is also where it shows him out alone and going to the bar to have a drink in chapter 13.
ReplyDeleteYes, I feel like Catcher In the Rye relates or connects to teens today by Holden switching schools. failing classes, and Allie’s death. This book is relevant to teens today because of the fact that teen like lying to people and playing with girls or boys feelings.Today people switch schools and have deaths of family members which can lead someone to depression just like Holden said he was lonesome (Salinger, 58). I feel like today is just no different because Holden wants to have sex but he is scared and nervous, teens today have sex especially with teen pregnancy increasing. Teens that read this book understand Holden’s loneliness and his struggles. A lot of teens today have a similar life to Holden's and many of us teens still live our rebellious lives. We tend to swear a lot, we act how we do because we're still growing, learning and experiencing the world. In the article “A Timeless Voice” the quote, “The fact that Holden is struggling on his own with depression can be unsettling.” This quote relates to teens today because teens can be depressed by getting left out, not going to a good home or losing a loved one.
ReplyDeleteI would have to disagree where you say Catcher in The Rye is not relevant today it is still relevant today with relationship and feelings wish alot of people can relate to what Holden is talking about. I agree where you say about getting into a good college if you don't most people will judge you. The part i strongly disagree is where you say if you don't pass school you will be living on the streets that is not true my mom didn't pass school and she is very successful at being her own bus and the work crew is on. Just because you don't got book smarts doesn't mean you wont be successful.
ReplyDeletenoah i disagree because most teens are somewhat mature but also some aren't its not really a thing you can compare to adults because its talking about teens
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In this paragraph I would have to disagree and agree on what the author has to say in this article. I agree with the part in the article where it says “they are either super good kids, overscheduled little adults like their parents....” I agree with that because a lot of kids are so worried about their grades and making sure they make the honor roll and in the book Holden's friends say to him when he wants to hangout with them they say they are busy like Ackley says “Only 11! I gotta get up and go too mass tomorrow morning”. ( Salinger 48) Kids try sometimes harder than they should in school. It's not a bad thing but they should learn to have fun sometimes with their friends.
The part I have to disagree on is where it says that the kids who don't do good in school are little meth heads and big screw ups. I am pretty sure just because my mind isn’t always on school work i'm not a screw up or a meth head. Kids that do meth are usually pressured into doing it and that what leads them to being a screw up. I think this is a good article to read for kids today but it also has its own opinions which could lead too getting other opinions it's a good article too discuss with a class.
I agree with your "Kids try sometimes harder than they should in school. It's not a bad thing but they should learn to have fun sometimes with their friends. " you gotta live your life and have fun. Way to many think about whether that would effect their school and stuff, yes school is important but you gotta have time for fun in your life.
DeleteThis book might connect with teens but most won't really care. The things in the book do still happen to teens today but in different ways. In the book Holden acts like he is depressed and he yet he keeps trying to act like he's fine just as teens today do. In that sense you can see why people do enjoy reading the book. Also in the article we've read the teens in there also said Holden does speak like a real person.
ReplyDeleteCatcher in the Rye is still relevant. Even though times have changed, there still is similarities. For example (Salinger 55,79,88,103,134) That dating has always been a conquest, whoever gets there the fastest is the best. In the book, and also in kids in the 1940's kids dated for popularity, same as kids now. In the packet titled "Raw honesty" It states how in the packet, she says ," Holden is tired of just getting around with girls it should be for love". This book still relates to some teens, how they feel about dating, marriage, and respect for one another. Sometimes teens now are just doing what they do for attention, not even good attention. Love and depression go hand in hand. Love can make you feel like your floating on a cloud, then just randomly drop you, and make you realize, you had to wake up sometime, and it was all just a dream. The trust you left in someone, confided in, and was the rock you leaned on. To look at them ten years down the road even 5, thinking that was someone you used to know. The feeling we have now is the same they felt. Some people choose to toughen up and ignore it, others feel every once drain out of them. I always hear older people say," we know nothing about love, were to young". That is so annoying, were young but we are capable of love, in this book Holden shows many perspectives of love. Towards his brother, sister, friends, teachers, little kids, random girls/girls he knows. Holden has a whole other side, a side you have to be willing to see. He acts like he doesn't care, but he really does, and he hurts terribly, but he thinks if he shows it no one will care anyways. Love doesn't mean sex, relationships, or dating, it has many meanings. Love could mean you care for someone, looking out for them, or even doing whats best for them, even if it hurts you. The toughest people, are the ones who love the hardest, and also feel every little part of a breakup. Love isn't easy, its something you have to work at everyday. Holden definitely shows that he wants that, someone to come home too, to work for, to love. He has a heart, these packets make it out to seem, like hes heartless, doesn't care, and is kind of a monster. Some say,"they connected with him", but I would say they didn't fully understand. Everyone's fighting their own battles, whether they make them for themselves, or it comes their way. This book has showed me how many different types of love there is.
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