Of the articles we read on Wednesday, two out of three of the adult authors claimed that Catcher in the Rye no longer connects with teens. Your goal was to construct a response to one of those three authors where you respond to their ideas and develop your own. Please post your response as a comment to this post.
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In response to the writing done by Mark Bauerlein, on “A Teenage Throwback,” I feel he was misinformed and a bit judgmental in a bit of his argument. In the segment when he told about teenagers and how in today’s age, they are the dumbest generation of teenager. The fact of the matter is there are many smart teenagers, and the assumption that all people that post stupid things on Instagram, or Facebook, etc. are actually stupid is very childish and poorly thought through. I also strongly disagree that there is no relevance to “The Catcher in the Rye” and today because teenagers still go through similar problems and though some handle those situations differently, most have to cope just like Holden did, alone. I think Bauerlein put a lot of personal opinions into the teenager’s life and how they handle problems now. For example, I don’t even use many popular sites and I have gone through many problems that I had to go through alone, and in my personal opinion HE had the glib view of the situation involving teenagers and the irrelevance of “The Catcher in the Rye .”
ReplyDeleteI agree with you when you say that you strongly disagree with that there is not relevance to "The Catcher in the Rye". I think there is more relevance to it then even we no now.
DeleteI agree with that he put many of his personal opinions in, today many teens have similar problems.
DeleteI disagree with the part Daniel on the part that a lot of people cope alone, its's a lot easier to talk to people today and be in touch with friends because of social networking.
DeleteI agree with everything that you say. Especially about how we are stereotyped.
DeleteI agree with the fact the yes, our generation may seem like "the dumbest", when actually we are the most informed of the technological advances introduced within this decade.
DeleteI think the catcher in the rye is a perfect example of the modern day kids. i think for the raw honesty paragraph it should be because a lot of kids these days have been there and i don't do bad things all kids are different most people think all kids do all these bad thing but in reality a lot of the kids that aren't passing their classes dont party and dont smoke or chew i don't pass all my classes with the best of grades but i pass. every day right after school i go to work just like all the others and the smart kids go and do all these bad things because people think that there the goody two shoes but in reality the good kids aren't the straight a or b students.
ReplyDeleteI don't really agree with you completely. Yes, not all people who are not passing their classes don't do the bad and stupid things like drugs, drinking, and ext., but not all people who get good grades and are good people are bad and do those stupid decisions.
DeleteAlthough some people do make these poor choices in life, this does not mean that all kids that have good grades are good people, Yes, I would have to agree with you on that. Some people are good at school, yet they party every night.Some are the opposite than that. This does not meant that all people are the same way. So therefore I disagree with this point of view Mr. Geopfert.
DeleteI do not agree with what Elizabeth Wurtzel says about how most of the young people fall into two completely different categories. Take a look around. Yes, there are good teens, and bad teens, but that is not all. We do not only fit into two categories, but more, also, one individual can be in more than one category. We are all different, but similar, but we cannot be categorized only two categories. “Where Have All the Teenagers Gone?” is irrelevant. We are right here, and we cannot be defined.
ReplyDeleteI agree with your article besides when you say there are good teens and bad teens. To me that says you are putting them into to groups and are defining them.
DeleteI agree with your response of "We are all different, but similar, but we cannot be categorized into only two categories."
DeleteI agree that teens do not only fit into two categories but many.
DeleteIn response to “Where Have All the Teenagers Gone?” Elizabeth Wurtzel.
ReplyDeleteAdolescence; the period following the onset of puberty during which a young person develops from a child into an adult. Adolescence is like mandatory phase that a person goes through; rebellion and confusion are a part of this phase. Children “are bound to be stumped by Holden’s troubles”, but they are stumped because Holden’s troubles and the things that he went through were different than what a teen would go through when feeling that way today. I do agree that; not much, but some, has changed since 1951. Wurtzel says; “He still sounds the way fed-up kids trying to imitate adults tend to sound, even if nowadays we’ve nice-ified the word phony into hypocrite.” This definitely speaks in the way that I believe who Holden is in the Catcher in the Rye, touching on the fact that Holden is imitating adults. He doesn’t have anyone around him for support so he feels the need to skip the adolescence and pretend to be this more mature person. The things that have changed in the world are scary. “The world now is so much more dangerous, the temptations so much darker than anything Holden could have encountered...” And yes, this is true. I agree with that, but teens now feel the same way that Holden did (relating to this personally) its just that times have changed and the things that affect teens now a days to make them feel the way that Holden felt are different.
The author Patrick Welsh writes in his article ‘A Timeless Voice’ about Holden Caulfield in the book “The Catcher in the Rye”. In this article Welsh says “With so many teens on psychotropic drugs, the fact that Holden is struggling on his own with depression can be unsettling.” I completely understand how he could see this as unsettling. The only reason I can understand this because it is unsettling to know how many students and other teenagers go on with their day to day life, suffering from depression. Instead of seeking help they just just shut down and hide from the world. I know that this is true because I have done it and some days still do it. This shows the book is still relevant to today because there are many situations in the book where Holden chooses to just sit around in his room, rather than go out and have fun. Or when he gets really depressed he sits in the dark and talks out loud to his brother Allie who has passed away. As the author says “... Holdens voice is timeless...”
ReplyDeleteI disagree completely with the article "Where Have All the Teenagers Gone" by Elizabeth Wurtzel. She just assumes that all teens are no good, well this sounds like a false accusation in my experience. She says that Holden sounds "just like fed-up kids trying to imitate adults tend to sound." I believe this to be completely false. I know plenty of teens in my school that do not act like a fed up kids wanting to be an adult. the problem is some teens act this way, but she makes it seem that all of us act this way. And in my experience I find this completely false because I have seen and felt theses things as a teen myself.
ReplyDeleteI disagree a little because some kids are worth nothing but there kids in the middle as well.
DeleteWell responding to Article 1 “Where have all the teenagers gone” by Elizabeth Wurtzel I thought to myself how is she wrong? Well Mrs.Wurtzel says two categories: they are either super good kids, overscheduled little like their parents, who have a staff of tutors, coaches and therapists to ensure that all will work out as it is supposed to. Or they are so bad and in situations betond redemption- babies with babies, little meth heads and big screw-ups who are never going to get on the right track.”. Most kids I’ve met in my lifetime either been in the middle or leaning more to the good side . She has apparently zero idea of our generation and is basing her opinion on the new and the extreme stories she hears on the news. She says we cannot relate to the teens in the catcher because we have drugs to solve our problems, well sorry ma’am but your WRONG.
ReplyDeleteI agree that Elizabeth Wurtzel has no idea what todays teens are like her opinions are completely unbiased and make no sense. But there is more than just "good kids" and/or "learning more to the good side kids" some kids never learn they just keep on moving with what there doing until they are are in a hole so deep they cannot crawl out.
DeleteI agree that she know nothing about teens and that she is getting her information from incorrect sources.
DeleteIn the article “ Where Have all the Teens Gone?” the author Elizabeth Wurtzel says that “ a kid gone wrong today could actually end up in a terrorist sleeper cell, which was not a possibility even a decade ago.” I totally disagree with what she is saying. No teen now or back then would even end up in a terrorist sleeper cell. The only things teens really do is stay out past their curfew and smoke cigarettes. These are the same things Holden did and the same things we do now. But just because we do these things doesn't make us bad people. Everybody does it and everybody back in the day did it too. But just because we do these things, doesn't mean that we are going to go to a terrorists sleeper cell; It means we are going to get grounded for a week and maybe get our phones taken away. Elizabeths view is not how teens are today or even back then.
ReplyDeleteIn where have all of the teenagers gone by Elizabeth Wurtzel I will have to disagree with her on that all kids should be just considered they are either superstars or that they are bad and are into drugs and what not. What happened to the kids in the middle that live in the country and are not superstars or druggies what happened to them everyone just seems to forget about them they go unnoticed that is the part that i disagree with. When she stereo typed all teenagers either bad or good she doesn’t know if a teen has come from a good household or a bad one, but good teens can come from bad homes and bad teens can come from a really good household also.
ReplyDeleteI agree with you Adam that not every teen is 100% one way or the other.
DeleteI agree with you Adam, because I know from experience that not every teen is one way or the other. Being that I'm in the middle.
DeleteYeah she has completely forgot about the kids that are in the middle its as if they shouldn't matter or exist.
DeleteIn response to “A Teenage Throwback” written by Mark Bauerlein I think that he has a small amount of stereotypical ideas of teenagers in his mind. He is saying that Holden Caufield is a “damaged and solitary” person. He acts like he is an adult in his world. Mr. Bauerlein has made a clarified a point about teens being just as relevant today as they were in the past. I do agree with this. He says “His personal dramas don’t look unusual. They all have personal dramas…” He is right on this point. Teens have not really changed over time.
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ReplyDeletei disagree with the author Elizabeth Wurtzel in her article where have all the teenagers gone it seems as if the author is basically saying that all teens fall under good kids and bad kids i disagree all kids aren’t good or bad all teens do bad and good things and i also highly disagree when she says “little meth-heads and big screw ups who are never going to get on track”. i know people who are big screw ups i used to screw up and i'm on the right track she thinks that the good aren’t screw ups and all the bad kids are like holden he has screwed up in life but that doesn’t make a bad kid look at stradlater i’m sure he has screwed up. Who’s to say that teens aren’t gone there here there is no such things as good or bad it’s choice on what you do like holden he has had experiences that changed him but that doesn’t mean he’s not on track or a bad kid i also disagree “The worldMy is now so much more dangerous.” the worlds was as dangerous as it is now and in the past the way i see it it’s survival of the fittest in this society.all the people in society all screw up but still are on track everyone makes mistakes it’s a part of a teens life. and who they are in society everyone isn’t good or bad its all